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	<title>Comments on: Sustainability: It Won&#8217;t Happen Until We Agree to Measure It</title>
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		<title>By: Josh Oakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Oakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since Coolidge said &quot;the chief business of the American people is business&quot; we have collectively agreed that the value of a Thing can be measured either by how much it can bring in the marketplace or how much capital it can generate. Which is why a CEO can make a million dollars and teacher can make $24,000.

This model works for some things, but applying it to everything causes problems because humans value more intangible things than tangible things; there is no market value for a life partner. That equation can&#039;t be written because the point is that it&#039;s not an economic decision.

I think the underlying flaw is not that we aren&#039;t measuring Sustainability, Social Responsibility, Transparency, etc. Rather that we&#039;re trying to make too many decisions economic. Not that I can suggest a solution for that problem. It&#039;s a cultural approach to the same issue, and I don&#039;t know if trying to make big social change or big economic change is more difficult.

But I do think that many people would agree that clean air and water, green space, ethically produced products, and so on, are issues that transcend economics. Which suggests to me that we need a solution which also transcends economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since Coolidge said &#8220;the chief business of the American people is business&#8221; we have collectively agreed that the value of a Thing can be measured either by how much it can bring in the marketplace or how much capital it can generate. Which is why a CEO can make a million dollars and teacher can make $24,000.</p>
<p>This model works for some things, but applying it to everything causes problems because humans value more intangible things than tangible things; there is no market value for a life partner. That equation can&#8217;t be written because the point is that it&#8217;s not an economic decision.</p>
<p>I think the underlying flaw is not that we aren&#8217;t measuring Sustainability, Social Responsibility, Transparency, etc. Rather that we&#8217;re trying to make too many decisions economic. Not that I can suggest a solution for that problem. It&#8217;s a cultural approach to the same issue, and I don&#8217;t know if trying to make big social change or big economic change is more difficult.</p>
<p>But I do think that many people would agree that clean air and water, green space, ethically produced products, and so on, are issues that transcend economics. Which suggests to me that we need a solution which also transcends economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post!  Measurement is the key to sustainable sustainability efforts.  In this economy, both short term ROI and long term social ROI must earn out to win the minds/hearts of business managers. 

I hope you enjoy my book - please let me know what you think. 

Tim Sanders 
author, Saving The World At Work
http://www.SavingTheWorld.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post!  Measurement is the key to sustainable sustainability efforts.  In this economy, both short term ROI and long term social ROI must earn out to win the minds/hearts of business managers. </p>
<p>I hope you enjoy my book &#8211; please let me know what you think. </p>
<p>Tim Sanders<br />
author, Saving The World At Work<br />
<a href="http://www.SavingTheWorld.net">http://www.SavingTheWorld.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: matt mcglynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt mcglynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, check out http://www.bcorporation.net/

&quot;B Corporations are a new type of corporation which use the power of business to solve social and environmental problems.&quot;

Care2.com, whose mission has long included sustainability, became a B Corporation last year:
http://www.bcorporation.net/care2

This doesn&#039;t answer your immediate question, but it&#039;s a goal for established medium- to large-sized businesses. I think third-party certification is definitely a required ingredient toward establishing sustainability as anything more than &quot;nice to have.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, check out <a href="http://www.bcorporation.net/">http://www.bcorporation.net/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;B Corporations are a new type of corporation which use the power of business to solve social and environmental problems.&#8221;</p>
<p>Care2.com, whose mission has long included sustainability, became a B Corporation last year:<br />
<a href="http://www.bcorporation.net/care2">http://www.bcorporation.net/care2</a></p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t answer your immediate question, but it&#8217;s a goal for established medium- to large-sized businesses. I think third-party certification is definitely a required ingredient toward establishing sustainability as anything more than &#8220;nice to have.&#8221;</p>
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